Help or Get Out of the Way
Within the last 12 months, two people have shared very similar stories with me. Unfortunately, these stories are not encouraging. But, I’m afraid that they are becoming more and more common. I’ll briefly share the last story.
I had lunch with a business associate. After we talked about web sites and such, he said he wanted to talk to me about something church related.
He said that he had met many people around the city of Raleigh through his business connections. He had a desire to introduce these people to Christ and to help them live in community with one another and those around them. He wanted to begin getting together with those who were interested in the gospel of Jesus Christ and disciple them as they shared their lives together.
Now, this friend is part of a church in the Raleigh area. He approached one of his pastors with this idea. He explained his desire to disciple people and help them live in community with Christ and with one another.
The pastor said, “No.” It’s true. My friend was told that he could not do this. He was given three reasons: 1) Whatever my friend did, he would need to work through his local church and their Bible study programs. 2) My friend would have to go through his church’s Bible study program leadership training routine. 3) My friend’s group would have to focus on promoting their church.
My friend was dumbfounded. He was expecting encouragement and support from this leader. He said that he had heard the pastors talk about reaching their city with the gospel. It now seemed that was not their only (or primary?) interest.
Like I said, this is not an isolated instance. Another good friend ran into the same kind of resistance when he and some friends wanted to start evangelizing and discipling their neighborhood. Their leaders told them, “No,” because they would have to go through their church programs, and there was no one in leadership available to oversee their endeavor.
May I speak directly to those in leadership who feel threatened by this kinds of plan? I know that you feel you are protecting people and building your organization for the glory of God. But, if you ever stand in the way of someone evangelizing and making disciples because it’s not going through your organization, then know that you are standing in opposition to God, not with him.
If someone approaches you with a desire to disciple those around them and live in community in Christ with them, either help, or get out of the way!
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Sad and spot on. Thanks for this, Al. Don’t go getting all militant on us, though.
Just another unfortunate confirmation of what I observed during 17 years in the Institution. What an incredible display of unbiblical leadership in action. The good that can come from such interactions is that followers of Christ realize that they do not need to ever receive permission from anyone to engage in evangelism and discipling activities and that those who would stand in the way are not to be followed, their example of hindering God’s Kingdom is not worthy of emulation.
Amen to not needing permission… I echo Hutch’s point, that at least these friends of yours, and hopefully others, might see through this that the whole idea of needing to get “approval” to share the gospel and disciple people is ludicrous! If Jesus Himself commanded us to do these things, then why on earth would we need to get someone else’s official go-ahead?
Christopher,
Not going militant… just blowing off a little steam.
Hutch and Daniel,
Yes. I’m hoping that others (leaders and non-leaders) will understand that they do not need to ask permission to obey Jesus.
-Alan
Hi Alan, I think your post is spot on.
One minor point of contention though is when you write that instances such as these, “…are becoming more and more common.” I would suggest they they have been vey common for a long time. I don’t know that this view is increasing or not, but I do know I have had these same encounters many times over the past decade or so.
I may blog one of my most recent stories that reinforces what you are writing… In the meantime, can you answer one question?
You wrote, “But, if you ever stand in the way of someone evangelizing and making disciples because it’s not going through your organization, then know that you are standing in opposition to God, not with him”
Barnabas and Paul were given a mission by the Holy Spirit, yet they did not act on that until they had prayed, fasted and received the blessing of the Church at Antioch. Again, I don’t think this undercuts anything you write about, but I would love to have you share how this biblical story differs from the kinds of story you cite above.
BTW, I am teaching a course this January on Leadership… it should be fun to incorporate stories like the ones you share above with the students as we discuss what it really means to be a leader in the church.
Alan this is a sad story. Thankfully we do not need permission to minister. I am also thanful that in our own efforts my family has met nothing but support from the local church organizations. Not from those we were previously members of so much as the ones we used to drive past to get there. God makes things happen for a reason. We can trust things are going according to plan even when it doesn’t seem that way to us.
Joe,
You’re right. I should have said that I am becoming more aware of these situations. This could be a change in my perception, instead of a change in leadership methods.
I would be in favor of churches praying and fasting together to decide if a plan was from God or not. That option was not offered by these leaders. They were comfortable in accepting that the plan was from God, but only if the person/persons jumped through their hoops.
Bobby,
That’s very encouraging! Please write about how others have supported your efforts! I would be very interested in reading the stories.
-Alan
Joe
Paul, Barnabas and the saints in Antioch had a completely different church view than what takes place in 99% of institutionalized fellowships. (I leave 1% room for the very few.) The saints in Antioch viewed each other as peers, brothers, members of one another, with full mutuality. This is not true in the vast majority of institutionalized fellowships. They have a power pyramid with the clergy at the top and lay folks down below in the steerage section. Our Bibles read English words such as “rule”, “obey”, “office”, etc that are bogus translations. “Oversight” is legitimate, but it is only oversight. It is not over-talking, over-deciding, over-visioning, over-thinking, over-hearing from God, or any other kind of over that is very common today. The chain-of-command heresy does horrible damage in the household of faith. (Every train has one engineer, every plane has one pilot, every business has one CEO, every church must have one SR. Pastor, blah, blah…) I have read the books, heard the sermons, and the board room lectures on shut up or resign that are so arrogant, power hungry, prideful, and corrupt.
The same man who is so very friendly to you, learns your name out of a hundred or more, says he loves you from behind the pulpit, and many other POSTURES of being a brother to you, will quickly change if you challenge any key element of his vision for the church or key element of his power base that you see is corrupted from God’s Word. He won’t feel challenged if you only use your opinion as your basis for a challenge, but if you show from God’s Word that he is off base, you will see a completely different man.
I’ve seen similar situations. Your succinct rebuke is spot on.
Tim,
There are leaders in modern traditional churches like you’ve described. I also know that are leaders who are humble and willing to submit to others.
Chris,
Thanks.
-Alan
Alan,
Sounds very familiar
Sad stories – and so unbiblical! You can find “unauthorized” people doing Kingdom work in plenty of places… there’s Eldad and Medad in Numbers 11 (Of whom Moses says in exasperation; “Would that ALL the Lord’s people were prophets…!”) And the unothorized exorcist that Jesus won’t shut down in Luke 9. (“But Jesus said… ‘Do not stop him; for whoever is not against you is for you.’”)
But in some ways I think it’s sadder how blind the leaders are to their charge to equip the saints for the work of ministry, so congregations that were supposed to help the river of grace flow freely end up becomming bottlenecks.
Alan,
I’ve experienced something a bit different. I’ve known people who had similar ideas but never acted on them or dropped the idea all together because they feared the pastor would veto their idea and the realization that all the hoops to jump through were too much. Then there are the rogues who go and do things anyway, with no opposition from the leader(s), but who receive no support or even recognition from the “official” church. Really sad.
Alan
I made room for you assertion and agree from what I said earlier. It is a tragically small amount of men in this reality. Have you read any books that teach this approach to institutionalized faith?
How many hired pastors have never experienced a believer seeking to go beyond institutional boundaries come to them for support?
How many have experienced this have been able to nicely distract or divert these saints from the vision God gave them?
I have read books and journals on pastor leadership that give specific advise on how to say just that. Is it not safe to say this is part of the system?
Praise God there are even hired pastors who come to the saints in full repentance asking them to consider converting to organic fellowship, and have been rejected. I have heard from some of them. It can go both ways.
I’ve seen that many time here too.
I think that’s one of the symptoms that occur when we want to replace the Holy Spirit and when we want to control everything, instead of letting the Spirit of God doing it.
The first role of institutionalization is to ensure that the control is in the hands of human being, …. instead of God himself.
I was sorta hoping (but not really expecting) everyone to say that my friends’ experiences are not the norm. Apparently and unfortunately, it is normal.
-Alan
Amen, Amen and Amen!! There are so many Churches that are like this today. It seems that its about growing “their” church instead of growing the Kingdom. Programs, programs, programs, stuff, stuff and more fluff. I love your post Alan. They are bold and to the point. Keep it up.
the problem of institutionlism
I had a similar experience once. Felt compelled to stop and speak with an elder lady on her porch once, asked her about the tiny little steeple house next door to her home. She told me two folks meet there on Sunday, that’s about it. I asked (told) the ‘pastor’ where I attended at the time if he’d support the endeavor.
It just so happened it would be on a Sunday that I visited that place, and it was forbidden for me to miss Service for such an occasion as connecting with possible brethren in need.
So sad.
So frustrating.
So motivating to seek the way of our master, and not the way of men.
Thanks for the continued discussion on this topic. I’ve had several friends who were told not to follow their convictions even though there was nothing wrong with what they thought God was telling them to do. In fact, what they were planning to do was very much in line with what we see in Scripture.
-Alan