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The Pastor as Prophet, Priest, and King?

Posted by on May 25, 2010 in blog links, elders, office | 9 comments

My friend Adam from “adamic” has posted a very interesting question in his post “Church Leader as Jesus?” He points to a “missional” class that he says sounds like it is teaching that a pastor should “fill Christ’s role in the local body.” He says:

On further digging, my fears appear confirmed. Each course’s description ends, “This course will focus on the pastor as prophet . . . pastor as priest . . . pastor as king.” I’m not sure where in Scripture you get the idea that the pastor is to fill all the offices of Christ in the local body. Do you know?

Like I commented to Adam, this sounds more like Ignatius than Paul. I’m hoping someone answers his concerns.


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  1. 5-25-2010

    Well, look, Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father. They are watching TV together. They only look in on us during commercials. Someone has to take on His role for now. (I think they should also get those cool tall green hats, too, so you know which one is temporarily Jesus for us all.)

  2. 5-25-2010

    Mark Driscoll and Acts 29 use the same categorization in talking about pastors. Not sure if they mean it the same way. But, as analogy, it helps some. However, the danger is obvious if one isn’t careful with the language.

  3. 5-25-2010

    Where are the courses on Pastor as suffering servant, Pastor as laying down his life for the sheep, and Pastor as one who must go away so that another may come?

    If a Pastor could truly do all that, I’d be tickled pink to have him or her as Prophet, Priest and King… at least for a little while!

    Oh, wait. I think I just described an Apostle, who raises up the church and leaves.

    Hmmm…

  4. 5-25-2010

    where are the course that teach that the actual word “pastor” appears only once in the whole NT ?

    where are the leadership course teaching how to not lead and have a meeting that is according to 1 Corinthians 14 ? (where every members teach and exhort and prophesy one another)

    I don’t believe that eldership is an office, but I think it is a mere function.

  5. 5-25-2010

    Even with the explanation, it looks like reducing the old “five-fold” minister down to a “three-fold” minister. Why keep pushing people (the ministers obtaining the masters degrees for $8500) to exhibit all of these aspects/characteristics to the exclusion of the rest of the assembly? Why set brethren up to compare themselves to this manufactured requirement in order to be declared what…..a masterful missional minister?

    Could just as easily be renamed using the body of Christ analogy: Hand as Eye, Hand as Arm, Hand as Foot.

    Just another heavy yoke.

  6. 5-25-2010

    Having read through the comments it appears that it is all a personality typing system, but the interesting thing is that some posters feel more like type “x”, when type “y” is more given to being “pastorly”, and they struggle with that fact. I imagine there are a lot of people that are actually gifted as apostles, evangelists and prophets trying to force themselves into the role of “pastor”. It is sad for those individuals.

    Alan, I want to thank you again for your post on discipling your vocationally minded friend. That set in motion another conversation that has really opened my eyes to some negative attitudes, and allowed the Lord to begin dealing with those. Thanks again.

  7. 5-26-2010

    I am going to say what might seem very controversial because it doesn’t fit the cookie cutter religion thats taught today.

    We are lings and priests if we are a true child of God. We sit heavenly places today with Him if we are His.

    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    We are in the thousand years now and it started at the cross. We are spiritually resurrected when He quickens us and we are saved.

  8. 5-26-2010

    One more verse if you will allow:
    Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

  9. 5-26-2010

    As I understand it, everyone who is in Christ is prophet, priest, and king, but we do not replace Christ as prophet, priest, and king. My concern in this post is that the classes seem to suggest that the pastor plays a special role as prophet, priest, and king.

    -Alan