Comments on: Elders (Part 6) – Overseeing http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/ the weblog of Alan Knox Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:33:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Assembling of the Church | Elders http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-10388 The Assembling of the Church | Elders Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:05:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-10388 [...] years ago, I wrote a seven part series on Elders (part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part 6, and part 7). Unfortunately, I think many Christians understand elders/pastors/bishop more from [...] [...] years ago, I wrote a seven part series on Elders (part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part 6, and part 7). Unfortunately, I think many Christians understand elders/pastors/bishop more from [...]

]]> By: J. R. Miller http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-5419 J. R. Miller Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:21:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-5419 You sure did. Thanks. You sure did. Thanks.

]]> By: Alan Knox http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-5416 Alan Knox Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:04:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-5416 J.R.,<br/><br/>In Acts 6, the apostles did not choose the seven men. They told the people to choose some men and then agreed with their choices.<br/><br/>Is distributing to those in need the same thing as "overseeing"? Well, since I suggested that "overseeing" means watching out for or caring for, then, yes, distributing to those in need is a form of "overseeing".<br/><br/>Unfortunately, there is no textual connection between the apostles' distribution in Acts and the elders overseeing in Acts 20 and 1 Peter 5. Instead, I only see a general connection of both apostles and elders (and all believers) showing care for other people.<br/><br/>Did this answer your question, or did I miss something?<br/><br/>-Alan J.R.,

In Acts 6, the apostles did not choose the seven men. They told the people to choose some men and then agreed with their choices.

Is distributing to those in need the same thing as “overseeing”? Well, since I suggested that “overseeing” means watching out for or caring for, then, yes, distributing to those in need is a form of “overseeing”.

Unfortunately, there is no textual connection between the apostles’ distribution in Acts and the elders overseeing in Acts 20 and 1 Peter 5. Instead, I only see a general connection of both apostles and elders (and all believers) showing care for other people.

Did this answer your question, or did I miss something?

-Alan

]]> By: J. R. Miller http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-5414 J. R. Miller Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:40:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-5414 Alan, <br/>In Acts we see that the gifts were brought and set at the feet of the Apostles who had responsibility to distribute the money to those in need. Part of that included the choosing of the 7 deacons to distribute to the widows. <br/><br/>Do you think this fits the role of "administrator/overseer" given to the Elders? Alan,
In Acts we see that the gifts were brought and set at the feet of the Apostles who had responsibility to distribute the money to those in need. Part of that included the choosing of the 7 deacons to distribute to the widows.

Do you think this fits the role of “administrator/overseer” given to the Elders?

]]> By: Alan Knox http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3317 Alan Knox Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:57:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3317 Brent,<br/><br/>I think Hebrews 13:17 is important to a study of elders in the sense that Hebrews 13:17 speaks of "leaders". The passage does not speak directly about "elders" though. I think it would be good to view "elders" as a subset of "leaders".<br/><br/>I have written about Hebrews 13:17 previously in a post called "<a HREF="http://assembling.blogspot.com/2007/07/obey-and-submit-hebrews-1317.html" REL="nofollow">Obey and Submit? (Hebrews 13:17)</a>". I think that "Obey those who rule over you" is an unfortunate translation of Hebrews 13:17. I would suggest the following: "Follow (or Trust) those who lead you".<br/><br/>-Alan Brent,

I think Hebrews 13:17 is important to a study of elders in the sense that Hebrews 13:17 speaks of “leaders”. The passage does not speak directly about “elders” though. I think it would be good to view “elders” as a subset of “leaders”.

I have written about Hebrews 13:17 previously in a post called “Obey and Submit? (Hebrews 13:17)“. I think that “Obey those who rule over you” is an unfortunate translation of Hebrews 13:17. I would suggest the following: “Follow (or Trust) those who lead you”.

-Alan

]]> By: Brent http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3316 Brent Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:16:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3316 Alan,<br/><br/>Where does Hebrews 13:17 fit into your understanding of elders? <br/><br/>"Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you." Alan,

Where does Hebrews 13:17 fit into your understanding of elders?

“Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.”

]]> By: Alan Knox http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3229 Alan Knox Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:46:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3229 Tom,<br/><br/>This would probably be the topic of another blog post, but I'll try to answer you briefly. I think that "pastor", like "teacher" and "prophet", are related to gifting. Thus, people can be gifted to "shepherd/pastor" just as they can be gifted to teach or to prophet. This would explain the use of the noun "pastor" in Eph 4:11 along with other "gifted" individuals.<br/><br/>-Alan Tom,

This would probably be the topic of another blog post, but I’ll try to answer you briefly. I think that “pastor”, like “teacher” and “prophet”, are related to gifting. Thus, people can be gifted to “shepherd/pastor” just as they can be gifted to teach or to prophet. This would explain the use of the noun “pastor” in Eph 4:11 along with other “gifted” individuals.

-Alan

]]> By: tom sheepandgoats http://www.alanknox.net/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3226 tom sheepandgoats Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:29:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/09/elders-part-6-overseeing/#comment-3226 This is an exhaustive series regarding elders. I appreciate it and the work you've put into it.<br/><br/>As a member of a denomination that has elders, but no pastor, I am curious. What scriptural basis can be called upon for having a pastor? That for elders is abundant, as you have pointed out. <br/><br/>Not trying to set up a conflict here, only trying to understand. This is an exhaustive series regarding elders. I appreciate it and the work you’ve put into it.

As a member of a denomination that has elders, but no pastor, I am curious. What scriptural basis can be called upon for having a pastor? That for elders is abundant, as you have pointed out.

Not trying to set up a conflict here, only trying to understand.

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