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I wanna go deeper…

Posted by on May 13, 2007 in community, discipleship, scripture | 14 comments

(My apologies to delirious for stealing their lyric…) Last week, Tim from “The View from the Hill” published a throught-provoking post called “Are We Going Deep Into the Truth or Drowning in Minutia?” He began with this excellent quote from Ed Stetzer and David Putman’s book Breaking the Missional Code: Your Church Can Become a Missionary in Your Community:

The irony is that most people crying for “meat” are really crying for minutia. They want to learn the deeper truths about the times of the rapture rather than how to live the Christian life. True meat teaches people how to be transformed by the renewing of their minds so that they will live like Christ, love like Christ, and leave what Jesus left behind. But believers in church-focused ministries often think it is more important to teach about controversial subjects rather than transformational truths. [p. 80]

He concluded his post with this statement:

It cannot be emphasized enough that no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others. We must go deep into the Word to discover and understand what God is telling us and how this message affects our lives, but we must not allow knowledge and understanding of the text become ends unto themselves.

Being part of a seminary environment, I have witnessed and even taken part in conversations that centered more on the minute details than on a deeper walk with the Lord. In fact, I think it might be beneficial if I start asking myself (and others) the following question: How does this discussion help someone become more Christ-like? If we decide on one position over another position on this issue, how will it affect the way we live our life for Christ?

I’m afraid that if I ask myself these questions, then my discussions may become less frequent. I enjoy discussing different issues. But, I wonder if these discussions can become a distraction to what is truly important.

Now, there are some discussions that followers of Christ need to take part in. There are issues that do affect our walk with the Lord. These issues we should discuss and work together to understand how to live in a way that brings glory to God and how to encourage other believers and how to be salt and light among unbelievers. Some discussions… not all discussions.

So, I think I’m going to start asking myself and others, how does this discussion help me and others in our walk with the Lord? I’m not sure what kind of response I will get. I’m open to people explaining how a discussion is beneficial. What would you say if you were discussing your favorite topic of theology and someone asked you, “How will this discussion help me in my walk with the Lord? If we choose one position over another, how will that benefit us as we live for God?”


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  1. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  2. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  3. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  4. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  5. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  6. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  7. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  8. 5-13-2007

    Alan-
    “no matter how deep one digs into Scripture, Bible study is ultimately worthless if it does not help us to grow to become more like Christ in what we think, say, and do. God is less interested in how much we know than He is in how we live and how we love Him and others.”
    Those are good words…a good reminder that we have not been saved to collect a library of facts, but to glorify Christ through our lives.
    Much of what I collect, I never use in any practical way. It just serves to inflate my head when I can flaunt it before others. And that is sin.
    Ouch. Truth hurts.
    Kat

  9. 5-14-2007

    Alan,

    Digging deeper is always good.

    Blessings,
    Jonathan

  10. 5-14-2007

    Kat,

    Thanks for the comment. I’m right there with you. I often joke that I am a treasure trove of useless knowledge. I hope that I can start knowing God in a way that affects my walk, not just my ability to play Bible Trivial Pursuit.

    Jonathan,

    I agree… depending on what we are digging.

    -Alan

  11. 5-14-2007

    Alan,

    I must admit that this post has left me a bit introspective since you put it up. My wife has often told me I have a tendency to be thorough, sometimes overly thorough, in my discussions on philosophy, strategy, theology, etc.

    At the same time, after 17 years as a foreign missionary/church planting practictioner, strategist, and trainer, I still feel I have more questions than answers a lot of times regarding ecclesiology and how it fits into good missiology. I have found your blog, and the type of issues you deal with, to be a good place for me to think through some of these questions. Sometimes I bring up counterpoints, more than anything, to test ideas, and to see where they really hold up to the Word of God, and to the end of edifying the church, and advancing the Kingdom of God. At times, to some people, this may come across as arguing over minutia.

    I do, however, want to make it my goal, as you wisely point out here, to always have in mind the end goals of how to best bring glory to God, encourage other believers, and be salt and light among unbelievers, in the discussions in which I engage. Thanks for challenging me in this area.

  12. 5-14-2007

    David,

    I have being doing some introspection as well. Usually, I blog about things that God is teaching me, or about what God is convicting me. This is one of the areas in which God is convicting me. I’m asking Him for discernment in knowing when to continue a discussion, and when I am sinking into minutiae.

    -Alan

  13. 6-21-2007

    Greetings from Hoptown –

    The minutia(e) and trivia that we dig up can be very sparingly used to clue in people who like that stuff. Curious worldly thinkers want to know that their speaker has done some study, and moderate use of non-essential facts will assure them that there has been some curiosity at work here, in the same way that a bit of humor will get people’s minds off what they heard on the radio coming in and such. When everybody else laughs the introverts will begin listening to the speaker.

    Steve Austin, layman

  14. 6-21-2007

    Steve,

    Welcome to my blog! Thank you for the comment. Where is Hoptown? I hope you will decide to continue interacting with us here.

    -Alan