Comments on: Luther and the Church… http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/ the weblog of Alan Knox Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:35:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Assembling of the Church | Luther and the Church http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-12605 The Assembling of the Church | Luther and the Church Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:01:58 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-12605 [...] “The German Mass and Order of Divine Service”. I wrote a post about it called “Luther and the Church.” Since then I’ve written other posts as well. I was surprised when I read that Luther [...] [...] “The German Mass and Order of Divine Service”. I wrote a post about it called “Luther and the Church.” Since then I’ve written other posts as well. I was surprised when I read that Luther [...]

]]> By: The Assembling of the Church | Luther talks about the church meeting http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-12388 The Assembling of the Church | Luther talks about the church meeting Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:42:13 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-12388 [...] Luther and the church [...] [...] Luther and the church [...]

]]> By: The Assembling of the Church | Luther on Making Decisions for the Church http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-10144 The Assembling of the Church | Luther on Making Decisions for the Church Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:07:19 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-10144 [...] concerning Luther’s “The German Mass and Order of Divine Service.” (See “Luther and the Church” and “Luther and the non-Christian ‘worship [...] [...] concerning Luther’s “The German Mass and Order of Divine Service.” (See “Luther and the Church” and “Luther and the non-Christian ‘worship [...]

]]> By: Alan Knox http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-9461 Alan Knox Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:24:25 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-9461 <b>Nikkele</b>, Thank you for your post. I think you're right. Living a life of faith in God through Christ by the Holy Spirit requires a holistic approach. -Alan Nikkele,

Thank you for your post. I think you’re right. Living a life of faith in God through Christ by the Holy Spirit requires a holistic approach.

-Alan

]]> By: Nikkele http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-9457 Nikkele Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:48:41 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-9457 Mr. Knox, great blog and equally great is your last comment. It makes me really want to delve more into early church history and Martin Luther to weed out so many of the extra things in Christianity I've been infused with. Many of our spiritual "to do lists" are fallacies and impede real growth and understanding. It behooves us not to have a holistic approach to the faith that allows us to examine it appropriately. Mr. Knox, great blog and equally great is your last comment. It makes me really want to delve more into early church history and Martin Luther to weed out so many of the extra things in Christianity I’ve been infused with. Many of our spiritual “to do lists” are fallacies and impede real growth and understanding. It behooves us not to have a holistic approach to the faith that allows us to examine it appropriately.

]]> By: Alan Knox http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-749 Alan Knox Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:20:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-749 <b>Bryan</b>,<br/><br/>I sent you an email.<br/><br/><b>Maël</b>,<br/><br/>Someone complained to me recently for asking questions in comments instead of offering answers. But, I'll let it pass this time...<br/><br/>What is the answer? Well, I think history has shown us what happens when believers let any pendulum swing too far one way or another. The answer to me is humility. We never stop listening to and caring for and loving others, especially when they disagree with us. But, we also never stop teaching those who are willing to listen to, care for, and love us even when we disagree with them.<br/><br/>-Alan Bryan,

I sent you an email.

Maël,

Someone complained to me recently for asking questions in comments instead of offering answers. But, I’ll let it pass this time…

What is the answer? Well, I think history has shown us what happens when believers let any pendulum swing too far one way or another. The answer to me is humility. We never stop listening to and caring for and loving others, especially when they disagree with us. But, we also never stop teaching those who are willing to listen to, care for, and love us even when we disagree with them.

-Alan

]]> By: Maël http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-746 Maël Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:14:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-746 Luther's behavior here sounds like Zwingli's when he did not want to move forward with believer's baptism even though he had some convictions in that direction.<br/><br/>So here is the question? Why did they not move in that direction?<br/><br/>You pointed to the fact that Luther did not move in that direction because of the lack of people willing and then to appease the state church. Some have suggested that Zwingli did it because of pastoral concern and to appease the local magistrates.<br/>One would hope, though, that with time and teaching Luther could have seen willing people. Zwingli, who claimed that people were not ready, ignored and then persecuted the ones who were ready: the Anabaptist.<br/>Alan, we have talked before about humility and balance between teaching what one believes to be the truth and loosing ones voice in a brother's life. Where is the fine line? I do not want to be like the Anabaptist who moved forward and at times forsake their weaker brothers, but I do not want to be like Luther and Zwingli who did nothing. Luther’s behavior here sounds like Zwingli’s when he did not want to move forward with believer’s baptism even though he had some convictions in that direction.

So here is the question? Why did they not move in that direction?

You pointed to the fact that Luther did not move in that direction because of the lack of people willing and then to appease the state church. Some have suggested that Zwingli did it because of pastoral concern and to appease the local magistrates.
One would hope, though, that with time and teaching Luther could have seen willing people. Zwingli, who claimed that people were not ready, ignored and then persecuted the ones who were ready: the Anabaptist.
Alan, we have talked before about humility and balance between teaching what one believes to be the truth and loosing ones voice in a brother’s life. Where is the fine line? I do not want to be like the Anabaptist who moved forward and at times forsake their weaker brothers, but I do not want to be like Luther and Zwingli who did nothing.

]]> By: bryan riley http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-744 bryan riley Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:30:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-744 Alan, will you please provide me your email address by emailing me at bwriley4[at]yahoo [dot]com? Thank you! Alan, will you please provide me your email address by emailing me at bwriley4[at]yahoo [dot]com? Thank you!

]]> By: Alan Knox http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-740 Alan Knox Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:57:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-740 Guy and Heather,<br/><br/>I don't know what "would" have happened. But, I believe that since Luther did not purue this "third" type of order (the only one he saw applicable to believers), believers (and unbelievers) continued regarding the institutions and organizations as the church.<br/><br/>-Alan Guy and Heather,

I don’t know what “would” have happened. But, I believe that since Luther did not purue this “third” type of order (the only one he saw applicable to believers), believers (and unbelievers) continued regarding the institutions and organizations as the church.

-Alan

]]> By: Heather http://www.alanknox.net/2007/02/luther-and-church/#comment-738 Heather Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:42:00 +0000 http://dev.alanknox.net/assembling/2007/02/luther-and-the-church/#comment-738 Interesting! I've not read any of Luther's writings other than <i>parts</i> of the 95 theses. It looks as though, from the snippet that your shared, he desired a return to the 1st century church. Interesting! I’ve not read any of Luther’s writings other than parts of the 95 theses. It looks as though, from the snippet that your shared, he desired a return to the 1st century church.

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